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		<title>By: Samuel Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Samuel Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 May 2006 02:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr Ed

Your article on meeting the needs of students in the classroom does spark a sense of fulfillment and encouragement to continue working with students and facilitating for their successful learning. 
When we come to the point (debate) as to whether a teacher should help the student learn what they want to rather than what they have to; isn&#039;t it a bit controversial?
 i. The things taught may not be in compliance with what some parents want their children to learn. 
ii. It can be considered an abuse of the childs mind.
So my question is, offcourse keeping in mind the many types of intelligences, how does a teacher strike a balance between following a school curriculum and making a child competent among his peers inside and outside the classroom? 
And to complicate it more is it necessary for a teacher to ensure that a child likes or loves what he /she has learnt or is learning.
Thanx! I must say your articles have given me an e-destination to head to.... May God give you strength to continue and never stop thinking.

Samuel</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr Ed</p>
<p>Your article on meeting the needs of students in the classroom does spark a sense of fulfillment and encouragement to continue working with students and facilitating for their successful learning.<br />
When we come to the point (debate) as to whether a teacher should help the student learn what they want to rather than what they have to; isn&#8217;t it a bit controversial?<br />
 i. The things taught may not be in compliance with what some parents want their children to learn.<br />
ii. It can be considered an abuse of the childs mind.<br />
So my question is, offcourse keeping in mind the many types of intelligences, how does a teacher strike a balance between following a school curriculum and making a child competent among his peers inside and outside the classroom?<br />
And to complicate it more is it necessary for a teacher to ensure that a child likes or loves what he /she has learnt or is learning.<br />
Thanx! I must say your articles have given me an e-destination to head to&#8230;. May God give you strength to continue and never stop thinking.</p>
<p>Samuel</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. &#38; Ms. Miroslav &#38; Katarina Stanic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr. &#38; Ms. Miroslav &#38; Katarina Stanic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 04:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Son,
 
Very interesting! Yes, frontal lobe kicks in when the life experience is meaningful. Meaning IS everything. As you said, without it, people die.
 
No wonder our Lord conveys His information to us with such CARE! Such Divine Love! Come to think of it,  when I first begun reading the Bible I would remember whole passages, word for word, without ever putting any effort to memorize it. My front lobe was working....ha? Yes, His CARE and Love for me, &quot;activated&quot; my brain to learn and to know every information He gave me.
 
Dear Roy, as you choose to care, your soul will need a lot of refueling. You yourself have a need to be taken care of. Expose yourself to the loving care of the Word (who became flesh) often. The Word, when taken by faith, will refuel your energies, will propel you forward. Look what it says:

&quot;For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus; that if One died for all, then all died; and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.&quot;  2 Cor. 5:14
 
Love,
Mom &amp; Dad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Son,</p>
<p>Very interesting! Yes, frontal lobe kicks in when the life experience is meaningful. Meaning IS everything. As you said, without it, people die.</p>
<p>No wonder our Lord conveys His information to us with such CARE! Such Divine Love! Come to think of it,  when I first begun reading the Bible I would remember whole passages, word for word, without ever putting any effort to memorize it. My front lobe was working&#8230;.ha? Yes, His CARE and Love for me, &#8220;activated&#8221; my brain to learn and to know every information He gave me.</p>
<p>Dear Roy, as you choose to care, your soul will need a lot of refueling. You yourself have a need to be taken care of. Expose yourself to the loving care of the Word (who became flesh) often. The Word, when taken by faith, will refuel your energies, will propel you forward. Look what it says:</p>
<p>&#8220;For the love of Christ compels us, because we judge thus; that if One died for all, then all died; and He died for all, that those who live should live no longer for themselves, but for Him who died for them and rose again.&#8221;  2 Cor. 5:14</p>
<p>Love,<br />
Mom &amp; Dad</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. Edward Roy Krishnan</title>
		<link>http://www.affectiveteaching.com/?p=20&#038;cpage=1#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. Edward Roy Krishnan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 May 2006 04:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ar...
 
thank you very much for the comment...thanks to your sister too. So, you have a good partner to get intellectually and philosophical &#039;engaged&#039; now ha!!! 
 
I must ask your sister to read my book then...she might not agree with it...but being a caring teacher...I see definite difference in the way students perform. The same students who get a &#039;D&#039; in other classes could get a &#039;B&#039; in my class simply because the approach of the teachers are different! 
 
Did you also know that family relationship and EQ correlates are the best predictors of success in academics and work? 
 
If &#039;care&#039; is not demonstrated...students become estranged from the teacher. In this situation, the teaching-learning process is nothing but mere &#039;a mechanically-driven-intellectual&#039; process of acquiring knowledge (meaning is detached in this case - people &#039;die&#039; when there is an absence of meaning...remember the book &quot;the meaning of life&quot; by victor frankl?) - the outcome of such an experience is proven to be quickly forgotten. In other words...what is learned in the absence of a &#039;caring&#039; atmosphere (created by a caring teacher) is NOT REMEMBERED...simply because maximum brain performance only occurs when the left prefontal lobe (responsible for positive emotions) which is a part of the frontal lobe (responsible for higher cognitive functions and memory) are activated in the teaching-learning process! 
 
Knowing &#039;brain research&#039; and its contribution to learning, I cannot NOT use this knowledge to enhance learning in the classroom. Yes, you can still choose to teach devoid of emotions (care)...but then, you are doing no favor for your students...whose lives depend on you, on a daily basis!!! Again...THE CHOICE IS YOURS...!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ar&#8230;</p>
<p>thank you very much for the comment&#8230;thanks to your sister too. So, you have a good partner to get intellectually and philosophical &#8216;engaged&#8217; now ha!!! </p>
<p>I must ask your sister to read my book then&#8230;she might not agree with it&#8230;but being a caring teacher&#8230;I see definite difference in the way students perform. The same students who get a &#8216;D&#8217; in other classes could get a &#8216;B&#8217; in my class simply because the approach of the teachers are different! </p>
<p>Did you also know that family relationship and EQ correlates are the best predictors of success in academics and work? </p>
<p>If &#8216;care&#8217; is not demonstrated&#8230;students become estranged from the teacher. In this situation, the teaching-learning process is nothing but mere &#8216;a mechanically-driven-intellectual&#8217; process of acquiring knowledge (meaning is detached in this case &#8211; people &#8216;die&#8217; when there is an absence of meaning&#8230;remember the book &#8220;the meaning of life&#8221; by victor frankl?) &#8211; the outcome of such an experience is proven to be quickly forgotten. In other words&#8230;what is learned in the absence of a &#8216;caring&#8217; atmosphere (created by a caring teacher) is NOT REMEMBERED&#8230;simply because maximum brain performance only occurs when the left prefontal lobe (responsible for positive emotions) which is a part of the frontal lobe (responsible for higher cognitive functions and memory) are activated in the teaching-learning process! </p>
<p>Knowing &#8216;brain research&#8217; and its contribution to learning, I cannot NOT use this knowledge to enhance learning in the classroom. Yes, you can still choose to teach devoid of emotions (care)&#8230;but then, you are doing no favor for your students&#8230;whose lives depend on you, on a daily basis!!! Again&#8230;THE CHOICE IS YOURS&#8230;!</p>
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		<title>By: Arlene Siagian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arlene Siagian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 May 2006 17:06:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Roy,

My sister and I were discussing whether teachers being &quot;caring&quot; is essential to learning. For instance, should teachers be personable to their students?She did not feel that it was necessity for a teacher to indicate care for his/her students, so long as the teacher provided the knowledge needed, and the inspiration to keep learning. 
There are many angles to consider. Let&#039;s keep discovering more.
Great job on the website!

:-) arlene</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Roy,</p>
<p>My sister and I were discussing whether teachers being &#8220;caring&#8221; is essential to learning. For instance, should teachers be personable to their students?She did not feel that it was necessity for a teacher to indicate care for his/her students, so long as the teacher provided the knowledge needed, and the inspiration to keep learning.<br />
There are many angles to consider. Let&#8217;s keep discovering more.<br />
Great job on the website!</p>
<p> <img src='http://www.affectiveteaching.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  arlene</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. JF Botermans (Assumption University)</title>
		<link>http://www.affectiveteaching.com/?p=20&#038;cpage=1#comment-11</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. JF Botermans (Assumption University)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 13:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr Edward,


Hell, I hope everything goes well for you.
Your posts are very good, congratulations!
Since you ask me for comments, here are a few that I&#039;d like to make:


In the first article, I would suggest removing the word &quot;overly&quot; in &quot;I feel overly controlled&quot;, because overly may be too subjective for your readers to agree with you, and in this kind of article, you want the reader to share your views.
At the end of the same first article, as a reader, I feel there should be a little more summary for conclusion; in other words, I feel the end of the article a little &quot;abrupt&quot;.


Similar views or teaching can be found in W. Glasser&#039;s books, among which: Glasser, W. (1990, 1992: 2nd, expanded ed.) The Quality School: Managing Students Without Coercion, Harper Prennial (he is the author of &quot;Reality Therapy&quot;, among other books).


By the way, I do share a lot with you about teaching (although it is an ideal, and not something I can say I achieve). 
This is an excerpt of my syllabus for School Counselling:
________________
Final remarks:

The instructor does not believe in coercive teaching approaches for elective courses, he sees his role in the learning process as a facilitator, trying to bring forth a good learning environment. [...]

Critical for the successful practice of counseling psychology are Creative thinking: the ability to engage in discovery, supposition and imagination ; practical thinking: the ability to practice, use, apply and implement information in the school environment ; and tacit knowledge: the kind of knowledge that is not explicitly taught, but allows a person to succeed in a given environment (Sternberg et al., 1996) (maybe thatâ€™s why people who love theories usually donâ€™t like school counseling, and also why school psychologists are often very practical and pragmatic in their approach to problems).

Please keep in mind that this places as much responsibility on you for the success of this course as on the instructor.

______________

But what is to me a question, is why there is this new tendency for teachers now to move towards these views of teaching.
I think big sociological factors are now at play. The first time I noticed that the teaching had to be completely changed was when they started a post-graduate curriculum in clinical psychology at my university in Belgium. Most of the students were already working adults. This made tha usual teaching style of most of the teachers inadequate.
Maybe the most powerful determinant of these changes that are only starting to develop in educational styles at school com from the fact that the diploma itself has lost it&#039;s intrinsic value. A diploma isn&#039;t sufficient to help you get a job, so just holding the paper isn&#039;t much. Maybe the students instinctively know it and this makes the teacher&#039;s power weaker. So the teacher has to negotiate with students much more. It may be similar to what happened in medicine: patients nowadays don&#039;t trust their doctors the same way as before: they want to become partners in their health choices (to me, this reflects partly the fact that doctors don&#039;t &quot;own&quot; medicine anymore, as teachers don&#039;t own science anymore...?


Well, this is only a few thoughts that I jotted without much revising, just to share a few ideas...


Anyway, I did like your web article very much. found them useful. Probably I will have to read them from time to time as it is easy to get out of the track when pressure from other sources than teaching increases.


Thanks,


JF Botermans.


P.S.: Thank you for helping Sr Tania with her questionnaire!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr Edward,</p>
<p>Hell, I hope everything goes well for you.<br />
Your posts are very good, congratulations!<br />
Since you ask me for comments, here are a few that I&#8217;d like to make:</p>
<p>In the first article, I would suggest removing the word &#8220;overly&#8221; in &#8220;I feel overly controlled&#8221;, because overly may be too subjective for your readers to agree with you, and in this kind of article, you want the reader to share your views.<br />
At the end of the same first article, as a reader, I feel there should be a little more summary for conclusion; in other words, I feel the end of the article a little &#8220;abrupt&#8221;.</p>
<p>Similar views or teaching can be found in W. Glasser&#8217;s books, among which: Glasser, W. (1990, 1992: 2nd, expanded ed.) The Quality School: Managing Students Without Coercion, Harper Prennial (he is the author of &#8220;Reality Therapy&#8221;, among other books).</p>
<p>By the way, I do share a lot with you about teaching (although it is an ideal, and not something I can say I achieve).<br />
This is an excerpt of my syllabus for School Counselling:<br />
________________<br />
Final remarks:</p>
<p>The instructor does not believe in coercive teaching approaches for elective courses, he sees his role in the learning process as a facilitator, trying to bring forth a good learning environment. [...]</p>
<p>Critical for the successful practice of counseling psychology are Creative thinking: the ability to engage in discovery, supposition and imagination ; practical thinking: the ability to practice, use, apply and implement information in the school environment ; and tacit knowledge: the kind of knowledge that is not explicitly taught, but allows a person to succeed in a given environment (Sternberg et al., 1996) (maybe thatâ€™s why people who love theories usually donâ€™t like school counseling, and also why school psychologists are often very practical and pragmatic in their approach to problems).</p>
<p>Please keep in mind that this places as much responsibility on you for the success of this course as on the instructor.</p>
<p>______________</p>
<p>But what is to me a question, is why there is this new tendency for teachers now to move towards these views of teaching.<br />
I think big sociological factors are now at play. The first time I noticed that the teaching had to be completely changed was when they started a post-graduate curriculum in clinical psychology at my university in Belgium. Most of the students were already working adults. This made tha usual teaching style of most of the teachers inadequate.<br />
Maybe the most powerful determinant of these changes that are only starting to develop in educational styles at school com from the fact that the diploma itself has lost it&#8217;s intrinsic value. A diploma isn&#8217;t sufficient to help you get a job, so just holding the paper isn&#8217;t much. Maybe the students instinctively know it and this makes the teacher&#8217;s power weaker. So the teacher has to negotiate with students much more. It may be similar to what happened in medicine: patients nowadays don&#8217;t trust their doctors the same way as before: they want to become partners in their health choices (to me, this reflects partly the fact that doctors don&#8217;t &#8220;own&#8221; medicine anymore, as teachers don&#8217;t own science anymore&#8230;?</p>
<p>Well, this is only a few thoughts that I jotted without much revising, just to share a few ideas&#8230;</p>
<p>Anyway, I did like your web article very much. found them useful. Probably I will have to read them from time to time as it is easy to get out of the track when pressure from other sources than teaching increases.</p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>JF Botermans.</p>
<p>P.S.: Thank you for helping Sr Tania with her questionnaire!</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Paul Buschenhofen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr Paul Buschenhofen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 May 2006 03:07:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Dr Roy

I enjoyed the articles on this website very much. They make a powerful and persuasive contribution to the scholarship on affective teaching. Keep up the good work.

I don&#039;t entirely agree with your assertion of the mutual exclusivity of the Golden Rule and Meeting Students&#039; Needs, but appreciate the fact that some tension may exist between the realisation of these two principles. Nevertheless, I feel that it is still possible for both principles to be evident in the relationship between a caring teacher and his/her students.

Paul</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dr Roy</p>
<p>I enjoyed the articles on this website very much. They make a powerful and persuasive contribution to the scholarship on affective teaching. Keep up the good work.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t entirely agree with your assertion of the mutual exclusivity of the Golden Rule and Meeting Students&#8217; Needs, but appreciate the fact that some tension may exist between the realisation of these two principles. Nevertheless, I feel that it is still possible for both principles to be evident in the relationship between a caring teacher and his/her students.</p>
<p>Paul</p>
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